1 00:00:12,838 --> 00:00:15,711 [haunting music] 2 00:00:15,798 --> 00:00:22,239 ♪ ♪ 3 00:00:22,326 --> 00:00:24,589 - Six months have passed 4 00:00:24,676 --> 00:00:29,203 since the brutal killings on November 13th. 5 00:00:29,290 --> 00:00:32,815 Crime tape still surrounds the property. 6 00:00:32,902 --> 00:00:36,036 The trash is still exactly how it was that night. 7 00:00:36,123 --> 00:00:40,127 The home is stuck in time. 8 00:00:40,214 --> 00:00:44,479 Four killings shrouded in mystery... 9 00:00:44,566 --> 00:00:47,134 so many unanswered questions. 10 00:00:47,221 --> 00:00:49,919 ♪ ♪ 11 00:00:50,006 --> 00:00:52,139 And as the world waits for answers, 12 00:00:52,226 --> 00:00:56,404 Bryan Kohberger sits in a local Moscow jail. 13 00:00:56,491 --> 00:00:58,275 - Are you guys ready for the latest on Bryan Kohberger? 14 00:00:58,362 --> 00:01:01,191 Because... ♪ Oh, my God! ♪ 15 00:01:01,278 --> 00:01:04,063 Bryan Kohberger was indicted by a secret grand jury. 16 00:01:04,150 --> 00:01:07,023 - AKA, like, being formally charged. 17 00:01:07,110 --> 00:01:09,286 - Grand juries are secret proceedings. 18 00:01:09,373 --> 00:01:10,853 You can't attend them. 19 00:01:10,940 --> 00:01:12,985 The defense attorney's not allowed in them. 20 00:01:13,073 --> 00:01:17,599 - They call a grand jury of 16 members, 21 00:01:17,686 --> 00:01:21,603 and then the prosecution presents the evidence, 22 00:01:21,690 --> 00:01:23,474 or their case, their side. 23 00:01:23,561 --> 00:01:27,478 - In grand juries, there's only one side--one side! 24 00:01:27,565 --> 00:01:30,394 The prosecution gets to tell their story, and that's it. 25 00:01:30,481 --> 00:01:33,876 You can indict a ham sandwich. That's how easy it is. 26 00:01:33,963 --> 00:01:35,312 It's a scam. 27 00:01:35,399 --> 00:01:37,184 - That secret grand jury right there 28 00:01:37,271 --> 00:01:41,057 just proved that Kohberger will not receive a fair trial. 29 00:01:41,144 --> 00:01:44,234 - How did they get a impartial grand jury? 30 00:01:44,321 --> 00:01:46,670 - It's too small of a pool to pick from, okay? 31 00:01:46,758 --> 00:01:48,759 There's only 40,000 people in Latah County, 32 00:01:48,847 --> 00:01:51,502 and everybody knows and dislikes Kohberger there. 33 00:01:51,589 --> 00:01:54,679 - And we heard this before-- that Mr. Kohberger 34 00:01:54,765 --> 00:01:57,029 knows there's evidence to exonerate him. 35 00:01:57,116 --> 00:02:00,294 - We have a source close to the case who tells us 36 00:02:00,381 --> 00:02:03,732 Bryan Kohberger has a strong alibi. 37 00:02:03,819 --> 00:02:05,734 - He really could be innocent. 38 00:02:05,821 --> 00:02:07,953 - The exact motive at this point is still unclear. 39 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:09,259 - Come Monday morning, 40 00:02:09,346 --> 00:02:12,088 Bryan Kohberger will be in court. 41 00:02:12,175 --> 00:02:16,179 - Kohberger is going to have the stage to make a plea. 42 00:02:16,266 --> 00:02:17,398 - How do you want to plead, babe? 43 00:02:17,485 --> 00:02:19,748 How do you want to plead? Tell us. 44 00:02:19,835 --> 00:02:21,837 We want to know. Guilty or not guilty? 45 00:02:23,926 --> 00:02:33,196 ♪ ♪ 46 00:02:44,033 --> 00:02:47,906 - Today is May 22, 2023, 47 00:02:47,993 --> 00:02:49,778 at 9:00 a.m., 48 00:02:49,865 --> 00:02:53,085 right in front of the Latah County Courthouse, 49 00:02:53,173 --> 00:02:57,220 where Bryan Kohberger was scheduled for an arraignment. 50 00:04:06,376 --> 00:04:10,032 - I never went up there and saw somebody refuse to plea. 51 00:04:10,119 --> 00:04:11,381 I never seen it. 52 00:04:19,084 --> 00:04:23,132 Kohberger's attorney, she says that she believes 53 00:04:23,219 --> 00:04:25,395 the grand jury indictment should be dismissed. 54 00:04:25,482 --> 00:04:27,484 - She said the grand jury was impaneled at a time when 55 00:04:27,571 --> 00:04:30,052 the small community of Moscow, Idaho, 56 00:04:30,139 --> 00:04:33,185 had been exposed to six months of intense local, national, 57 00:04:33,273 --> 00:04:35,100 and international media coverage. 58 00:04:35,187 --> 00:04:36,667 - You know, everybody heard about the case. 59 00:04:36,754 --> 00:04:38,669 I mean, everybody in that county. 60 00:04:38,756 --> 00:04:40,236 The world's heard about this case. 61 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:43,892 So, yes, it's going to be hard to find an impartial jury. 62 00:04:43,979 --> 00:04:46,111 - Even after Bryan Kohberger's arrest, 63 00:04:46,198 --> 00:04:48,375 people were just, like, spinning all these theories. 64 00:04:48,462 --> 00:04:52,030 I mean, the worst-case scenario 65 00:04:52,117 --> 00:04:54,250 in terms of sleuthing 66 00:04:54,337 --> 00:04:55,773 negatively affecting 67 00:04:55,860 --> 00:04:59,299 the University of Idaho case would be a mistrial. 68 00:04:59,386 --> 00:05:03,738 Bryan Kohberger's defense could leverage some of the publicity 69 00:05:03,825 --> 00:05:05,914 around his arrest and all of that stuff 70 00:05:06,001 --> 00:05:08,264 as something that could cause bias. 71 00:05:08,351 --> 00:05:12,877 - If you have someone who is capable of this type 72 00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:15,880 of murder, who walks on technicalities because 73 00:05:15,967 --> 00:05:19,275 of the circus that was created around a case, 74 00:05:19,362 --> 00:05:21,756 the damage is incalculable. 75 00:05:21,843 --> 00:05:24,280 - And then she said the shocker-- 76 00:05:24,367 --> 00:05:26,413 that Mr. Kohberger knows there's 77 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:28,240 evidence to exonerate him. 78 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:31,374 - Mr. Kohberger knows that exculpatory evidence exists. 79 00:05:31,461 --> 00:05:32,723 That's interesting. 80 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:35,159 - Now, could the defense just be fishing? 81 00:05:35,247 --> 00:05:36,640 We're going to have to wait and see. 82 00:05:36,727 --> 00:05:38,903 - This is evidence that likely will come 83 00:05:38,990 --> 00:05:40,775 out in court at some point. 84 00:05:40,862 --> 00:05:43,255 - But until a trial, until we hear all the evidence, 85 00:05:43,343 --> 00:05:44,953 we got to weigh the facts. 86 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,129 - We just got the official trial date 87 00:05:47,216 --> 00:05:50,741 for Bryan Kohberger-- October 2, 2023, this year. 88 00:05:50,828 --> 00:05:53,135 Let the countdown begin, babe. 89 00:05:53,222 --> 00:05:56,051 ♪ ♪ 90 00:05:56,138 --> 00:05:57,792 - I'm just going to jump right into it. 91 00:05:57,879 --> 00:06:00,360 I'm still here on location in Moscow. 92 00:06:00,447 --> 00:06:04,973 There is the water tower right behind me. 93 00:06:05,060 --> 00:06:07,236 So what I wanted to talk to you guys about today 94 00:06:07,323 --> 00:06:09,978 is the new documents that the defense has released. 95 00:06:10,065 --> 00:06:11,893 ♪ ♪ 96 00:06:11,980 --> 00:06:13,721 And they're a bombshell. 97 00:06:13,808 --> 00:06:15,853 - The document reads that there is 98 00:06:15,940 --> 00:06:21,424 no DNA from the victims found in Bryan Kohberger's car, 99 00:06:21,511 --> 00:06:23,426 apartment, home, or office. 100 00:06:23,513 --> 00:06:25,776 - There's no other DNA. 101 00:06:25,863 --> 00:06:27,561 - Nowhere. There's none. 102 00:06:27,648 --> 00:06:32,000 Also says that there's three unidentified male DNAs 103 00:06:32,087 --> 00:06:36,700 that were found in Maddie's room, right here. 104 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:40,225 - They have provided full discovery 105 00:06:40,312 --> 00:06:41,531 for the knife sheath, 106 00:06:41,618 --> 00:06:44,578 but not the other three 107 00:06:44,665 --> 00:06:48,277 unidentified male DNA samples. 108 00:06:48,364 --> 00:06:51,498 - To the extent that they don't have them, they weren't done. 109 00:06:51,585 --> 00:06:54,414 - "DNA from three men, mystery glove found at crime scene, 110 00:06:54,501 --> 00:06:55,980 says lawyer." 111 00:06:56,067 --> 00:06:58,635 - Two male DNAs were found within the home 112 00:06:58,722 --> 00:07:01,812 and the other one was found outside, it says, "on glove." 113 00:07:01,899 --> 00:07:05,163 - This was basically done with blinders on. 114 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:07,296 They only focused on one suspect, 115 00:07:07,383 --> 00:07:09,820 and they did not look at other potential suspects. 116 00:07:09,907 --> 00:07:11,605 - If they came across someone 117 00:07:11,692 --> 00:07:13,868 that was unwilling to give up their DNA, 118 00:07:13,955 --> 00:07:16,044 would the defense even know about it? 119 00:07:16,131 --> 00:07:17,872 Not with this fucking police department. 120 00:07:17,959 --> 00:07:20,614 - To me, they kind of verify 121 00:07:20,701 --> 00:07:23,181 what I have been theorizing for a while-- 122 00:07:23,268 --> 00:07:25,183 is that there was multiple people involved there. 123 00:07:25,270 --> 00:07:27,621 - We all know the PCA had holes 124 00:07:27,707 --> 00:07:29,710 and not everything adds up. 125 00:07:29,797 --> 00:07:32,887 And while the prosecution hasn't provided any more 126 00:07:32,974 --> 00:07:34,889 evidence against Bryan Kohberger, 127 00:07:34,976 --> 00:07:38,632 his defense is telling us that there's other male DNA 128 00:07:38,719 --> 00:07:41,025 at the scene, which means they're trying 129 00:07:41,112 --> 00:07:42,897 to argue that either Bryan is innocent 130 00:07:42,984 --> 00:07:44,768 or he didn't do this alone. 131 00:07:44,855 --> 00:07:47,554 ♪ ♪ 132 00:07:47,641 --> 00:07:49,294 Hey, guys. 133 00:07:49,381 --> 00:07:53,255 So right now it is exactly seven months since the murders 134 00:07:53,342 --> 00:07:55,736 on November 13th. 135 00:07:55,823 --> 00:07:59,696 I travel with my mother. She comes with me. 136 00:08:01,002 --> 00:08:03,483 I can only do so much by myself. 137 00:08:03,570 --> 00:08:07,182 And I've always wanted someone to film me. 138 00:08:07,269 --> 00:08:09,445 Like, on my TikTok, you never see my face. 139 00:08:09,532 --> 00:08:10,925 My YouTube, you never see my face. 140 00:08:11,012 --> 00:08:12,883 And I think for the first time, 141 00:08:12,970 --> 00:08:15,669 people are seeing Chronicles of Olivia. 142 00:08:15,756 --> 00:08:17,540 They're seeing who's the girl behind the camera. 143 00:08:17,627 --> 00:08:19,150 It's me. 144 00:08:19,237 --> 00:08:21,413 We got some documents that were released 145 00:08:21,501 --> 00:08:23,154 that said that there is no connection 146 00:08:23,241 --> 00:08:25,548 between Bryan Kohberger and the victims. 147 00:08:25,635 --> 00:08:28,551 The victims' DNA was not found in his car, in his apartment, 148 00:08:28,638 --> 00:08:32,076 nowhere, and it just brings up a lot of questions. 149 00:08:32,163 --> 00:08:34,818 Why was there no DNA found? 150 00:08:34,905 --> 00:08:36,994 Did he clean his car very thoroughly? 151 00:08:37,081 --> 00:08:39,475 Did he use anything that--like, Clorox? 152 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:42,086 It just opens up a bunch of new questions. 153 00:08:42,173 --> 00:08:45,960 Another one is, do you think that the defense 154 00:08:46,047 --> 00:08:50,094 is using people like us, internet sleuths, 155 00:08:50,181 --> 00:08:54,838 to talk about all these things and create all these theories 156 00:08:54,925 --> 00:08:57,406 and create this internet frenzy? 157 00:08:57,493 --> 00:09:01,976 - Anne Taylor has been very strategic in the words 158 00:09:02,063 --> 00:09:05,936 she's used in each of her filings. 159 00:09:06,023 --> 00:09:07,372 - Do you think there might be a chance 160 00:09:07,459 --> 00:09:10,375 she's using social media to create reasonable doubt? 161 00:09:10,462 --> 00:09:14,249 - She does these writings in a particular way-- 162 00:09:14,336 --> 00:09:17,905 certainly to ignite social-media talk. 163 00:09:17,992 --> 00:09:22,692 She wants to make a social-media narrative 164 00:09:22,779 --> 00:09:25,652 that will benefit her client. 165 00:09:25,739 --> 00:09:29,133 [cell phone ringing] 166 00:09:29,220 --> 00:09:30,918 - So, over the past few months, 167 00:09:31,005 --> 00:09:32,572 I've been working with Steve Goncalves, 168 00:09:32,659 --> 00:09:34,661 Kaylee's father, 169 00:09:34,748 --> 00:09:37,838 to help him find answers about his daughter's murder. 170 00:09:37,925 --> 00:09:39,927 Hey, Steve. How's it going? 171 00:09:40,014 --> 00:09:44,279 We would talk several times a week for several months. 172 00:09:44,366 --> 00:09:46,411 And even to this day-- like, I was just talking 173 00:09:46,498 --> 00:09:49,066 to him, like, 15, 20 minutes ago. 174 00:09:49,153 --> 00:09:51,286 We share information with each other. 175 00:09:54,332 --> 00:09:58,162 Out of the blue one night, he was calling me, 176 00:09:58,249 --> 00:10:02,514 and he told me this just insane story. 177 00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:04,778 ♪ ♪ 178 00:10:04,865 --> 00:10:07,955 Steve receives a phone call from this man in jail. 179 00:10:08,042 --> 00:10:10,348 His name is Jeff. 180 00:10:10,435 --> 00:10:13,743 ♪ ♪ 181 00:10:13,830 --> 00:10:17,225 Jeff said that he knew someone 182 00:10:17,312 --> 00:10:21,577 who was with Bryan Kohberger, 183 00:10:21,664 --> 00:10:24,014 that he and Bryan Kohberger 184 00:10:24,101 --> 00:10:27,975 went to 1122 King Road 185 00:10:28,062 --> 00:10:32,283 on November 13th to rob someone. 186 00:10:32,370 --> 00:10:36,374 And this individual gave Jeff a backpack. 187 00:10:38,376 --> 00:10:42,424 And he said, take this backpack and discard it. 188 00:10:42,511 --> 00:10:45,340 And Jeff opened it. 189 00:10:45,427 --> 00:10:49,344 And when he looked inside, there was a black knife, 190 00:10:49,431 --> 00:10:53,391 and there was clothing with blood on it. 191 00:10:53,478 --> 00:10:57,091 - 99.9% of the people on the Internet 192 00:10:57,178 --> 00:11:00,007 that want to solve this case have no idea 193 00:11:00,094 --> 00:11:02,270 what this case is about. 194 00:11:02,357 --> 00:11:05,621 They say, I got this tip from a family member. 195 00:11:05,708 --> 00:11:08,319 Where did the family member get the tip? 196 00:11:08,406 --> 00:11:11,235 And where did that person get the tip from? 197 00:11:11,322 --> 00:11:13,237 Unless you vet it and you know for a fact 198 00:11:13,324 --> 00:11:16,458 and you have documentation, 199 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:18,242 you have nothing. 200 00:11:22,769 --> 00:11:26,555 - I want to pursue that lead, 201 00:11:26,642 --> 00:11:28,557 but I'm really-- 202 00:11:28,644 --> 00:11:30,820 something is really holding me back. 203 00:11:30,907 --> 00:11:33,562 Jeff seems, like, sketchy. 204 00:11:33,649 --> 00:11:35,129 I ran background checks on them, 205 00:11:35,216 --> 00:11:36,696 and, obviously, Jeff is in jail. 206 00:11:36,783 --> 00:11:40,961 I'm torn between should I pursue this or not. 207 00:11:54,714 --> 00:11:58,892 [upbeat music] 208 00:11:58,979 --> 00:12:00,850 - So we're going to need to, obviously, look into Jeff. 209 00:12:00,937 --> 00:12:02,591 We need to find out who, what, when, where, 210 00:12:02,678 --> 00:12:04,201 what's his background. 211 00:12:04,288 --> 00:12:06,987 Maybe you do social media, I'll do background? 212 00:12:07,074 --> 00:12:08,336 - Yeah, I'm going to do social media. 213 00:12:08,423 --> 00:12:10,686 That's kind of, like, my thing. - Yeah. 214 00:12:10,773 --> 00:12:13,428 - He has multiple Facebook accounts. 215 00:12:13,515 --> 00:12:15,691 ♪ ♪ 216 00:12:15,778 --> 00:12:17,954 Major sketch vibes. 217 00:12:18,041 --> 00:12:20,087 This guy's trouble. 218 00:12:20,174 --> 00:12:22,089 - Here it is. He's in Kuna, Idaho. 219 00:12:22,176 --> 00:12:23,917 He's currently in custody. 220 00:12:24,004 --> 00:12:27,181 I've got his inmate number and his correctional facility. 221 00:12:27,268 --> 00:12:29,400 This guy looks like he is a career criminal. 222 00:12:29,487 --> 00:12:31,185 - Yeah, yeah. 223 00:12:31,272 --> 00:12:33,622 - And so, with that, you know, we have to take 224 00:12:33,709 --> 00:12:36,103 into consideration that he sees Steve and say, 225 00:12:36,190 --> 00:12:37,713 is this my ticket out? - True. 226 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,716 - How am I going to use this for my advantage? 227 00:12:40,803 --> 00:12:43,545 I've got his correctional facility and the phone number 228 00:12:43,632 --> 00:12:45,982 to call, so if you'd like to call the facility 229 00:12:46,069 --> 00:12:47,679 here and just ask them how we can 230 00:12:47,767 --> 00:12:49,725 schedule visitations with him. 231 00:12:49,812 --> 00:12:52,597 [line trilling] 232 00:12:52,684 --> 00:12:53,990 - ISCI visiting. This is Chester. 233 00:12:54,077 --> 00:12:55,557 How can I help you? 234 00:12:55,644 --> 00:12:59,169 - Hi, I am looking to speak to an inmate. 235 00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:02,607 I was wondering how do I go about setting up an interview. 236 00:13:02,694 --> 00:13:04,914 Do I say I'm a journalist or just, like-- 237 00:13:05,001 --> 00:13:06,220 - Yeah. - Does it matter? 238 00:13:06,307 --> 00:13:07,221 - I mean, what it is, is we're just-- 239 00:13:07,308 --> 00:13:08,352 - Okay. Well, who are you with? 240 00:13:08,439 --> 00:13:10,050 - So we're just-- 241 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:12,052 what we're trying to do is we're 242 00:13:12,139 --> 00:13:14,532 just trying to meet with him on a story that we're covering. 243 00:13:14,619 --> 00:13:16,796 And we were just hoping that maybe if we reached out 244 00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:18,885 to him, he'd be willing to meet with us over the phone 245 00:13:18,972 --> 00:13:22,323 or by video just to cover a story, that's all. 246 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:24,368 - Can I ask who I'm speaking with? 247 00:13:24,455 --> 00:13:26,109 - So my name is Andra-- - And who you're with? 248 00:13:26,196 --> 00:13:27,719 - Sure. My name is Andra Griffin. 249 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:29,373 And I'm from Florida, 250 00:13:29,460 --> 00:13:31,071 and I'm from the Bullhorn Betty channel. 251 00:13:31,158 --> 00:13:32,855 And I'm here with Chronicles of Olivia, 252 00:13:32,942 --> 00:13:36,641 another channel related to just doing a story. 253 00:13:36,728 --> 00:13:38,339 - Is that a podcast or-- 254 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:41,211 - Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 255 00:13:41,298 --> 00:13:43,126 - So you're with media, then. 256 00:13:43,213 --> 00:13:43,953 - That's correct. That's correct. 257 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,302 And we're independent. 258 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:46,869 - Okay, that's what I've asked you, 259 00:13:46,956 --> 00:13:48,566 and you kind of beat around the bush there. 260 00:13:48,653 --> 00:13:49,829 That's what I'm trying to get out of you, 261 00:13:49,915 --> 00:13:51,526 to figure out who this is. 262 00:13:51,613 --> 00:13:53,963 - Go to the Idaho Department of Corrections website. 263 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:55,573 - Mm-hmm. Oh. 264 00:13:55,660 --> 00:13:58,489 - And you may be able to email him directly. 265 00:13:58,576 --> 00:14:00,100 - You've been so helpful. I appreciate it. 266 00:14:00,187 --> 00:14:02,667 Thank you so much. - Thank you so much. 267 00:14:02,754 --> 00:14:04,756 - All right, so... 268 00:14:04,844 --> 00:14:07,977 "Dear Jeff, Steve Goncalves reached out 269 00:14:08,064 --> 00:14:10,632 "to us about the story you told him 270 00:14:10,719 --> 00:14:13,591 "about the possible second person with Bryan Kohberger 271 00:14:13,678 --> 00:14:16,943 "and would like to know if you are willing to speak 272 00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:19,162 with us about what happened." 273 00:14:19,249 --> 00:14:21,034 Got this, and we're going to send. 274 00:14:23,079 --> 00:14:25,255 All right, guys, it has been sent. 275 00:14:25,342 --> 00:14:28,171 - That's it. Well, and now we wait. 276 00:14:28,258 --> 00:14:31,000 [dramatic music] 277 00:14:35,309 --> 00:14:38,312 [soft music] 278 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:40,880 - Right now we just don't know if Bryan Kohberger is 279 00:14:40,967 --> 00:14:43,056 innocent or guilty, because we certainly 280 00:14:43,143 --> 00:14:44,709 haven't seen a single shred of evidence 281 00:14:44,796 --> 00:14:46,320 that says he's guilty. 282 00:14:46,407 --> 00:14:48,191 - Around sort of 2015, 283 00:14:48,278 --> 00:14:50,977 when "Making a Murderer" first came out, 284 00:14:51,064 --> 00:14:54,719 people became very interested in crime stories 285 00:14:54,806 --> 00:14:56,504 where there seemed to be someone 286 00:14:56,591 --> 00:14:59,855 who may have been wrongly accused or wrongly imprisoned. 287 00:14:59,942 --> 00:15:02,640 You would think that Bryan Kohberger's 288 00:15:02,727 --> 00:15:05,730 arrest would have quieted the sleuthing community. 289 00:15:05,817 --> 00:15:08,559 I was shocked 290 00:15:08,646 --> 00:15:11,040 but also not surprised to see that it only 291 00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:13,129 seemed to energize them more. 292 00:15:13,216 --> 00:15:14,914 - So this is what the mainstream media is telling us, 293 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:18,221 okay, is that through here, one person, 294 00:15:18,308 --> 00:15:21,572 allegedly Bryan Kohberger, walked in there, took out 295 00:15:21,659 --> 00:15:24,706 four people in eight minutes, and walked out 296 00:15:24,793 --> 00:15:26,664 leaving no blood trail. 297 00:15:26,751 --> 00:15:28,362 - You know, it's very easy to go on YouTube 298 00:15:28,449 --> 00:15:32,757 and attack "the media" because "the media" is not fitting 299 00:15:32,844 --> 00:15:34,585 your narrative. 300 00:15:34,672 --> 00:15:35,891 - What the mainstream media and law enforcement 301 00:15:35,978 --> 00:15:38,198 are telling us ain't jiving. 302 00:15:38,285 --> 00:15:40,678 - People don't want there to be an end because then 303 00:15:40,765 --> 00:15:42,332 they would have to sign off. 304 00:15:42,419 --> 00:15:43,855 - [mockingly] You guys, it's only Bryan Kohberger. 305 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,119 It's only Bryan Kohberger. 306 00:15:46,206 --> 00:15:47,990 [normal voice] You don't know if Bryan Kohberger 307 00:15:48,077 --> 00:15:50,384 is the only one that did this. - They don't want answers. 308 00:15:50,471 --> 00:15:53,648 They just want to continue to stir the pot. 309 00:15:53,735 --> 00:15:56,651 [dramatic music] 310 00:15:56,738 --> 00:15:59,045 ♪ ♪ 311 00:15:59,132 --> 00:16:00,524 - We learned today that prosecutors 312 00:16:00,611 --> 00:16:02,613 will seek the death penalty against Bryan Kohberger. 313 00:16:02,700 --> 00:16:05,355 ♪ ♪ 314 00:16:05,442 --> 00:16:08,619 - So Bryan Kohberger's defense team goes, 315 00:16:08,706 --> 00:16:12,319 hey, there's other male DNA sources found in the house. 316 00:16:12,406 --> 00:16:14,930 - The prosecution comes back with, 317 00:16:15,017 --> 00:16:17,411 oh, we're pursuing the death penalty. 318 00:16:17,498 --> 00:16:19,717 We're not going to respond to any of your claims 319 00:16:19,804 --> 00:16:21,241 about us not having a case. 320 00:16:21,328 --> 00:16:23,156 We don't care if we don't have any evidence. 321 00:16:23,243 --> 00:16:24,635 We're going to fry that motherfucker. 322 00:16:24,722 --> 00:16:27,073 ♪ ♪ 323 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,727 - Kaylee and Madison's parents say 324 00:16:29,814 --> 00:16:31,729 they want to go full forward 325 00:16:31,816 --> 00:16:33,383 with the D penalty on this case. 326 00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:34,950 - They said that if he wanted to play God, 327 00:16:35,037 --> 00:16:36,647 he needs to meet God. 328 00:16:36,734 --> 00:16:40,347 - Justice doesn't have 329 00:16:40,434 --> 00:16:42,740 a room where you can read books, 330 00:16:42,827 --> 00:16:44,264 and you can go to school, 331 00:16:44,351 --> 00:16:46,353 and you can have, you know, three meals, 332 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:48,181 and you can have your vegan diet. 333 00:16:48,268 --> 00:16:50,313 To me, that's not justice. 334 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,533 Justice is when you leave the planet. 335 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:55,144 - Kohberger, if found guilty, faces the death penalty, 336 00:16:55,231 --> 00:16:56,885 which here in the state of Idaho 337 00:16:56,972 --> 00:16:58,626 means possibly a firing squad. 338 00:16:58,713 --> 00:17:01,324 ♪ ♪ 339 00:17:01,411 --> 00:17:03,979 - There's such a huge possibility 340 00:17:04,066 --> 00:17:06,242 that he didn't act alone. 341 00:17:06,329 --> 00:17:09,028 What if he wasn't the one that did the killings 342 00:17:09,115 --> 00:17:11,595 and he gets executed? 343 00:17:11,682 --> 00:17:13,815 You think anybody ever is going to admit to that? 344 00:17:13,902 --> 00:17:14,990 Hell, no. 345 00:17:18,906 --> 00:17:21,866 ♪ ♪ 346 00:17:21,953 --> 00:17:24,826 - Oh, my gosh, he wrote back. 347 00:17:24,913 --> 00:17:28,612 ♪ ♪ 348 00:17:28,699 --> 00:17:30,397 - Hi. 349 00:17:30,484 --> 00:17:32,616 - You're not going to believe this, Jeff from jail 350 00:17:32,703 --> 00:17:34,444 wrote back. 351 00:17:34,531 --> 00:17:36,185 - No way. - Yes. 352 00:17:36,272 --> 00:17:37,969 He says, I'm willing to talk to you. 353 00:17:38,057 --> 00:17:41,060 You will be the only one I will talk to. 354 00:17:41,147 --> 00:17:43,540 So I'm, like, freaking out here. 355 00:17:43,627 --> 00:17:46,282 And I've got to tell you that there's been people-- 356 00:17:46,369 --> 00:17:48,632 Our audience swears that there's got to be two people. 357 00:17:48,719 --> 00:17:51,809 How did one person take out four people in nine minutes? 358 00:17:51,896 --> 00:17:54,551 This might be a legit lead. 359 00:17:54,638 --> 00:17:58,468 ♪ ♪ 360 00:17:58,555 --> 00:18:01,384 I don't know what's going on here. 361 00:18:01,471 --> 00:18:03,212 I don't know how to use this system. 362 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,739 Oh, wait, there it is. Can you hear me? 363 00:18:08,826 --> 00:18:11,351 Oh, my gosh, I'm so sorry. 364 00:18:11,438 --> 00:18:12,874 Can you hear me now? - That's okay. 365 00:18:12,961 --> 00:18:16,486 - How are you doing, Jeffrey? 366 00:18:16,573 --> 00:18:19,707 Steve reached out to us a little while ago 367 00:18:19,794 --> 00:18:24,015 and said that you had some really interesting information. 368 00:18:29,847 --> 00:18:32,981 - I don't know if that's good or not. 369 00:18:33,068 --> 00:18:35,592 - I'm Bullhorn Betty. Hold on. 370 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:37,072 Oh, okay. 371 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:12,977 And that's what Steve was referring to as the backpack? 372 00:19:15,066 --> 00:19:16,198 Two backpacks, okay. 373 00:19:38,612 --> 00:19:41,136 Can you tell us who the accomplice is? 374 00:19:41,223 --> 00:19:44,095 - I'm, like-- - Oh-- 375 00:19:44,183 --> 00:19:47,273 Okay, so we lost him. That sucks. 376 00:19:50,667 --> 00:19:52,887 But I keep trying to find out, what is his angle? 377 00:19:52,974 --> 00:19:55,890 Why would he want to interject himself into this case? 378 00:19:55,977 --> 00:19:57,631 - I don't know. 379 00:19:57,718 --> 00:19:59,502 He didn't talk about Bryan at all. 380 00:19:59,589 --> 00:20:01,417 - It doesn't feel truthful. 381 00:20:01,504 --> 00:20:03,376 It seems like there's an ulterior motive. 382 00:20:03,463 --> 00:20:07,771 ♪ ♪ 383 00:20:07,858 --> 00:20:11,166 - Truly, this case, I think, weighs on a lot of us. 384 00:20:11,253 --> 00:20:13,516 And it is so serious, and there is 385 00:20:13,603 --> 00:20:17,216 so many unanswered questions that when someone comes in 386 00:20:17,303 --> 00:20:19,827 that, like, just says something 387 00:20:19,914 --> 00:20:23,222 that feels very accurate, 388 00:20:23,309 --> 00:20:25,224 it's like, tell us more, you know what I mean? 389 00:20:25,311 --> 00:20:27,051 - ♪ I see money ♪ 390 00:20:27,138 --> 00:20:28,749 ♪ I see money ♪ 391 00:20:28,836 --> 00:20:33,188 One night somebody with a literal dot as a username 392 00:20:33,275 --> 00:20:34,929 started commenting that Bryan Kohberger 393 00:20:35,016 --> 00:20:36,844 was being set up. 394 00:20:36,931 --> 00:20:39,325 I was like, hi, I don't know who you are, but tell us 395 00:20:39,412 --> 00:20:41,501 more about what you're saying. 396 00:20:41,588 --> 00:20:45,635 - I was at a party, you know, at the apartments nearby. 397 00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:51,206 At around 3:00 a.m., I heard a really, really-- 398 00:20:51,293 --> 00:20:53,164 a scream that was like somebody 399 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:55,166 was being mauled by a bear. 400 00:20:55,254 --> 00:20:57,821 - I found out Dot was this college student that 401 00:20:57,908 --> 00:21:00,868 was at a party right next door the night before 402 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:02,870 and had heard things. 403 00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:06,221 - This anonymous person named "Dot" 404 00:21:06,308 --> 00:21:09,790 told Brat on a private phone call that they were friends 405 00:21:09,877 --> 00:21:12,271 with one of the surviving roommates, 406 00:21:12,358 --> 00:21:14,447 that had told police that they saw the killer 407 00:21:14,534 --> 00:21:16,753 in the house the night of the murders. 408 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,234 The surviving roommate told the police 409 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:21,280 that they were in a "frozen shock phase" 410 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:24,457 and that is why they didn't call the police 411 00:21:24,544 --> 00:21:25,980 right after they saw the killer. 412 00:21:26,067 --> 00:21:29,810 ♪ ♪ 413 00:21:29,897 --> 00:21:32,856 - And then I woke up in the morning 414 00:21:32,943 --> 00:21:35,206 to go outside because we're not allowed 415 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:36,773 to smoke in the apartment. 416 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:40,081 And I went outside to smoke a cigarette. 417 00:21:40,168 --> 00:21:42,083 It was, like, maybe 8:30. 418 00:21:42,170 --> 00:21:46,305 And there were about five people congregating outside, 419 00:21:46,392 --> 00:21:49,917 and they were all passing around a joint, smoking weed. 420 00:21:50,004 --> 00:21:54,182 - So Dot is claiming that they saw the surviving roommate 421 00:21:54,269 --> 00:21:57,054 smoking with a group of friends outside the morning 422 00:21:57,141 --> 00:21:58,926 after the murders. 423 00:21:59,013 --> 00:22:00,884 And this is before the police were even called. 424 00:22:00,971 --> 00:22:03,539 - So you're telling me this girl did not see any blood, 425 00:22:03,626 --> 00:22:05,454 did not see anything, walked outside, 426 00:22:05,541 --> 00:22:07,021 smoked some weed with her buddies, 427 00:22:07,108 --> 00:22:08,631 and nothing's going on, right? 428 00:22:08,718 --> 00:22:10,459 If that is the truth, then the PCA 429 00:22:10,546 --> 00:22:12,548 is a bunch of crap, which we already knew, 430 00:22:12,635 --> 00:22:16,509 because, A, she's not in a frozen shock phase, obviously-- 431 00:22:16,596 --> 00:22:18,859 she can go outside and smoke weed, so... 432 00:22:18,946 --> 00:22:21,992 Plus, allegedly, those kids are laying there dead 433 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:24,125 for four and a half hours. 434 00:22:24,212 --> 00:22:25,605 That's a problem. 435 00:22:25,692 --> 00:22:28,347 - Okay, so this is just a theory. 436 00:22:28,434 --> 00:22:32,133 But if Dot's story is true, would that mean 437 00:22:32,220 --> 00:22:34,570 that the surviving roommate didn't call the police 438 00:22:34,657 --> 00:22:36,746 because they were trying to help other people 439 00:22:36,833 --> 00:22:39,793 possibly cover up the crime? 440 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:41,577 - They're lying. 441 00:22:41,664 --> 00:22:44,406 They have created a narrative to protect something 442 00:22:44,493 --> 00:22:47,104 or somebody or themselves. 443 00:22:47,191 --> 00:22:50,020 - Would that maybe even suggest that they were trying 444 00:22:50,107 --> 00:22:52,196 to frame Bryan Kohberger? 445 00:22:52,283 --> 00:22:54,895 - I don't think they have anything to do with this 446 00:22:54,982 --> 00:22:56,375 because the police cleared them. 447 00:22:56,462 --> 00:22:58,289 So I don't think they're involved. 448 00:22:58,377 --> 00:23:01,684 I think there's an explanation that we don't know. 449 00:23:01,771 --> 00:23:05,732 - Do you still talk to some of the surviving roommates? 450 00:23:05,819 --> 00:23:08,561 - Yeah. And a lot of people criticize her. 451 00:23:08,648 --> 00:23:13,000 And she was directed, she was coached, 452 00:23:13,087 --> 00:23:16,220 she was... 453 00:23:16,307 --> 00:23:19,485 pressured into, like, coming 454 00:23:19,572 --> 00:23:21,878 to a conclusion about things. 455 00:23:21,965 --> 00:23:25,099 - So Dot is basically saying that the surviving roommate 456 00:23:25,186 --> 00:23:27,144 lied to police 457 00:23:27,231 --> 00:23:30,887 after being coached by other people. 458 00:23:30,974 --> 00:23:32,933 - This is a little bit dangerous territory. 459 00:23:33,020 --> 00:23:34,891 Go to the FBI. 460 00:23:34,978 --> 00:23:36,937 Go to the law enforcement. 461 00:23:37,024 --> 00:23:40,375 Don't come to YouTube and spread your gossip. 462 00:23:40,462 --> 00:23:42,464 - You know, I had reached out to the FBI. 463 00:23:42,551 --> 00:23:44,248 I reached out to Anne Taylor. I told Steve. 464 00:23:44,335 --> 00:23:45,728 Like, I did all I could. 465 00:23:45,815 --> 00:23:47,382 It was becoming, like, too much for me. 466 00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:51,168 I need you to, like, handle it. 467 00:23:51,255 --> 00:23:53,823 Turn yourself in, go to law enforcement, you know, 468 00:23:53,910 --> 00:23:55,085 tell them. 469 00:23:55,172 --> 00:23:57,523 And I can't force somebody to do that. 470 00:24:04,312 --> 00:24:06,140 - Is this you, Dot? Hello? 471 00:24:06,227 --> 00:24:07,794 - Hello. 472 00:24:07,881 --> 00:24:09,230 - Hello, Dot, nice to meet you. 473 00:24:09,317 --> 00:24:13,495 How are you today? - I've had better days. 474 00:24:13,582 --> 00:24:14,757 - Okay. 475 00:24:14,844 --> 00:24:16,759 - I think the most important thing 476 00:24:16,846 --> 00:24:18,631 was, like, the emotion behind it. 477 00:24:18,718 --> 00:24:20,807 This was not just some, hi, I'm so-and-so, 478 00:24:20,894 --> 00:24:22,548 and this is my story. 479 00:24:22,635 --> 00:24:26,073 I mean, this was scared, sobbing, calling me frantic. 480 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,248 I mean... 481 00:24:27,335 --> 00:24:29,468 - I didn't ever talk to anybody 482 00:24:29,555 --> 00:24:33,907 because I wanted for there to be any drama or anything. 483 00:24:33,994 --> 00:24:35,343 I thought I was doing something 484 00:24:35,430 --> 00:24:37,084 that would be helpful. 485 00:24:37,171 --> 00:24:39,347 And now I have all these people 486 00:24:39,434 --> 00:24:41,480 thinking these things... 487 00:24:41,567 --> 00:24:43,830 [sniffles] About me, and, like, 488 00:24:43,917 --> 00:24:46,267 I just want it all to stop, that's all. 489 00:24:46,354 --> 00:24:49,139 [crying] Like, if people don't believe me, that's okay. 490 00:24:49,226 --> 00:24:51,664 Like... [sniffles] I just want it all to stop. 491 00:24:51,751 --> 00:24:54,536 - Those are raw, real emotions. 492 00:24:54,623 --> 00:24:57,887 I don't believe somebody can fake that. 493 00:24:57,974 --> 00:25:00,020 - So I do have to ask you a question. 494 00:25:00,107 --> 00:25:03,240 So Brat claims that you know who did it 495 00:25:03,327 --> 00:25:05,939 and that they planned it for months and that you were-- 496 00:25:06,026 --> 00:25:08,158 I don't want to say involved, but at the scene. 497 00:25:08,245 --> 00:25:09,682 - Right. 498 00:25:09,769 --> 00:25:11,597 - Can you elaborate on that, if that's-- 499 00:25:11,684 --> 00:25:13,337 - Yeah. I can't--I don't want to speak on that right now. 500 00:25:13,424 --> 00:25:16,079 - Fair enough. - I'm going to-- 501 00:25:16,166 --> 00:25:18,386 I'm going to refrain from speaking on that... 502 00:25:18,473 --> 00:25:20,736 - That's fine. I understand. 503 00:25:20,823 --> 00:25:22,695 - To protect myself and her. 504 00:25:22,782 --> 00:25:24,566 - Okay. - It makes no sense. 505 00:25:24,653 --> 00:25:26,742 I mean, it would seem to me that if you needed help now, 506 00:25:26,829 --> 00:25:28,091 now would be the time to go to the authorities 507 00:25:28,178 --> 00:25:29,440 with the information. 508 00:25:29,528 --> 00:25:31,442 If what that person is saying-- 509 00:25:31,530 --> 00:25:33,227 if what that person is saying you said is false, 510 00:25:33,314 --> 00:25:35,229 then that's a different story. 511 00:25:35,316 --> 00:25:36,883 - Brat has nothing to do with what 512 00:25:36,970 --> 00:25:38,319 I'm speaking about right now. 513 00:25:38,406 --> 00:25:39,886 I don't understand the vibe. 514 00:25:39,973 --> 00:25:41,801 - Well, that's the only reason--wait a minute. 515 00:25:41,888 --> 00:25:43,454 Wait a minute. That's the only reason you're in here. 516 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:45,456 It's the only reason you're in here is because this girl 517 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:48,459 is saying that you made a statement that's so profound 518 00:25:48,547 --> 00:25:51,071 that it would change the entire aspect of this case. 519 00:25:51,158 --> 00:25:52,812 - I was terrified. 520 00:25:52,899 --> 00:25:54,988 When I found out what happened, I was terrified. 521 00:25:55,075 --> 00:25:56,816 I legit was terrified. 522 00:25:56,903 --> 00:25:58,861 I didn't want anything to do with the town or anybody. 523 00:25:58,948 --> 00:26:00,907 - They have the wrong guy, then. 524 00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:02,648 - Exactly. Thank you. 525 00:26:02,735 --> 00:26:04,214 - The story is wrong. - May I ask you a question? 526 00:26:04,301 --> 00:26:05,825 - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Take a minute. 527 00:26:05,912 --> 00:26:07,522 - I mean, we're forgetting about-- 528 00:26:07,609 --> 00:26:09,132 that there's people's lives at stake here. 529 00:26:09,219 --> 00:26:11,787 - My life is at stake here, too. 530 00:26:11,874 --> 00:26:14,224 [dramatic music] 531 00:26:14,311 --> 00:26:15,704 - I really appreciate you coming on, 532 00:26:15,791 --> 00:26:17,053 and I hope you have a wonderful evening. 533 00:26:17,140 --> 00:26:18,402 Okay? - Thank you. 534 00:26:18,489 --> 00:26:20,013 You too as well. 535 00:26:20,100 --> 00:26:21,797 - Thanks, Dot. 536 00:26:21,884 --> 00:26:23,625 - All right, guys, I got a little fucking nuts, 537 00:26:23,712 --> 00:26:24,844 but, hey, it is what it is, so... [chuckles] 538 00:26:24,931 --> 00:26:27,542 - The story didn't add up. 539 00:26:27,629 --> 00:26:29,979 They kept changing their story, kept changing little details. 540 00:26:30,066 --> 00:26:32,068 And most of the time, people miss that. 541 00:26:32,155 --> 00:26:34,331 - Riley, are you here? - Yeah. 542 00:26:34,418 --> 00:26:36,943 - Hi, Riley, how are you? - Hi. 543 00:26:37,030 --> 00:26:39,293 I knew that they weren't telling the truth, 544 00:26:39,380 --> 00:26:41,991 I knew that they were lying, and I wanted to prove it. 545 00:26:42,078 --> 00:26:43,732 I've always been leery of people 546 00:26:43,819 --> 00:26:46,126 who are under faceless accounts or pseudonyms 547 00:26:46,213 --> 00:26:48,084 or aliases that claim to have information, 548 00:26:48,171 --> 00:26:50,173 because in the past, I've helped with different cases 549 00:26:50,260 --> 00:26:52,132 where, hey, I thought this person had stuff, 550 00:26:52,219 --> 00:26:54,395 and they seemed legit, and it was all BS. 551 00:26:54,482 --> 00:26:57,354 - Riley's a professional troll hunter. 552 00:26:57,441 --> 00:27:00,227 She's out here exposing frauds, the ones that 553 00:27:00,314 --> 00:27:03,186 are lying or trying to insert themselves 554 00:27:03,273 --> 00:27:07,234 into certain discussions like this for attention. 555 00:27:07,321 --> 00:27:09,453 She loves to debunk fake stories. 556 00:27:09,540 --> 00:27:12,152 - Now, I'm going to tell you who Dot is, okay? 557 00:27:12,239 --> 00:27:15,155 They have fabricated this entire story 558 00:27:15,242 --> 00:27:16,983 to help push misinformation 559 00:27:17,070 --> 00:27:18,811 that Bryan Kohberger is innocent 560 00:27:18,898 --> 00:27:20,987 and other people might be responsible. 561 00:27:21,074 --> 00:27:23,598 I think people do want relevancy. 562 00:27:23,685 --> 00:27:25,644 They want views. They want engagement. 563 00:27:25,731 --> 00:27:27,341 They want to be more than what they are. 564 00:27:27,428 --> 00:27:29,386 I'm going to jump off here and listen, 565 00:27:29,473 --> 00:27:31,171 but, yeah, good to meet y'all. - All right. 566 00:27:31,258 --> 00:27:32,955 Thank you for your input. I really appreciate that. 567 00:27:33,042 --> 00:27:35,001 - Not a problem. - Thank you. 568 00:27:35,088 --> 00:27:36,655 So what happened, basically, last night 569 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:40,006 is that after my live, Dot went on to Brat Norton's TikTok, 570 00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:42,225 and it was a complete circus over there. 571 00:27:42,312 --> 00:27:44,488 - The Riley Lively, like, I would love 572 00:27:44,575 --> 00:27:46,795 for her to come on right now, and I don't say it-- 573 00:27:46,882 --> 00:27:49,363 - Oh, my God, Dot. - To mean any drama. 574 00:27:49,450 --> 00:27:52,714 But I would love if she hears this to come on. 575 00:27:52,801 --> 00:27:55,195 - Dot got a little cocky, a little confident, 576 00:27:55,282 --> 00:27:57,240 and went on a live with Brat Norton, 577 00:27:57,327 --> 00:27:59,199 and wanted me to get in the box and was like, 578 00:27:59,286 --> 00:28:00,809 Riley, I want to say something to you. 579 00:28:00,896 --> 00:28:02,202 And I was like, all right. 580 00:28:02,289 --> 00:28:04,900 All right, Dot, here's your wish. 581 00:28:04,987 --> 00:28:06,641 - Riley! 582 00:28:06,728 --> 00:28:08,948 - Even before I called them out, they were yelling at me. 583 00:28:09,035 --> 00:28:10,732 - Are you going to get the funds 584 00:28:10,819 --> 00:28:12,908 for a lawyer to protect me 585 00:28:12,995 --> 00:28:15,650 when I have to go into witness protection? 586 00:28:15,737 --> 00:28:17,608 - Look, no one's outing you. - No, no, no, no, no! 587 00:28:17,696 --> 00:28:19,001 No, no, no, no, no, no! 588 00:28:19,088 --> 00:28:21,264 - And a lot of times 589 00:28:21,351 --> 00:28:24,006 when you're getting close to the truth, 590 00:28:24,093 --> 00:28:25,355 people like that get very aggressive. 591 00:28:25,442 --> 00:28:27,053 - Stop running your mouth! 592 00:28:27,140 --> 00:28:28,750 - Listen-- [interposing voices] 593 00:28:28,837 --> 00:28:30,839 - You're not going to protect me. 594 00:28:30,926 --> 00:28:32,362 - She did a cam slip. 595 00:28:32,449 --> 00:28:34,190 She accidentally showed her face, 596 00:28:34,277 --> 00:28:36,845 and she is not 22 years old. 597 00:28:36,932 --> 00:28:38,978 - They gave themselves away. 598 00:28:39,065 --> 00:28:40,675 I'm like, who is this? 599 00:28:40,762 --> 00:28:42,503 Like, that's not the person that we thought it could be. 600 00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:44,984 I'm like, who is that? 601 00:28:45,071 --> 00:28:46,768 When they went live in the chat, they were like, 602 00:28:46,855 --> 00:28:48,901 Brayden, why are you trolling the true-crime 603 00:28:48,988 --> 00:28:49,902 and trafficking community? 604 00:28:49,989 --> 00:28:51,642 Brayden, why are you doing this? 605 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:53,862 Brayden, why are you lying about being on campus? 606 00:28:53,949 --> 00:28:55,777 And then someone would say, shh, don't say his name. 607 00:28:55,864 --> 00:28:57,605 Hmm, who's Brayden? 608 00:28:57,692 --> 00:28:59,781 This Dot messed up. 609 00:28:59,868 --> 00:29:02,828 They went live and showed their face. 610 00:29:02,915 --> 00:29:04,830 Anyone with info, send it to me. 611 00:29:04,917 --> 00:29:07,833 [dramatic music] 612 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,228 ♪ ♪ 613 00:29:12,315 --> 00:29:15,841 Ladies and gentlemen, meet Brayden... 614 00:29:15,928 --> 00:29:20,454 a long-time troll of various creators across TikTok, 615 00:29:20,541 --> 00:29:23,326 who spews lies. 616 00:29:23,413 --> 00:29:25,589 - I was in shock. 617 00:29:25,676 --> 00:29:27,417 I--Well, I was in shock. 618 00:29:27,504 --> 00:29:30,029 Of course, I'm getting a lot of backlash for this, right? 619 00:29:30,116 --> 00:29:32,466 However... 620 00:29:32,553 --> 00:29:36,731 I go into everything with, like, good intentions. 621 00:29:36,818 --> 00:29:38,907 And, again, how am I supposed to verify any of this, right? 622 00:29:40,691 --> 00:29:42,737 - If you're putting this out there, 623 00:29:42,824 --> 00:29:46,045 you are taking responsibility for that information 624 00:29:46,132 --> 00:29:48,525 going out to the public. 625 00:29:48,612 --> 00:29:51,790 Whether it turns out to be a lie, and it's Dot's fault, 626 00:29:51,877 --> 00:29:53,530 you're still responsible. 627 00:29:53,617 --> 00:29:56,403 - You say everything about me, you talk about me, 628 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:58,448 you degrade me, you put me down, 629 00:29:58,535 --> 00:30:00,799 but I'm not allowed to speak my mind? 630 00:30:00,886 --> 00:30:03,236 I'm not allowed to speak how I feel? 631 00:30:03,323 --> 00:30:05,629 - What about how the families of the victims feel? 632 00:30:05,716 --> 00:30:09,633 How do you think the entire community of Moscow feels? 633 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,723 - There's a whole thing in this community, where these trolls 634 00:30:12,811 --> 00:30:15,509 come in to try and get other-- 635 00:30:15,596 --> 00:30:19,078 other crime sleuths to recognize them as real, 636 00:30:19,165 --> 00:30:21,558 to prove that the true-crime community are idiots. 637 00:30:21,645 --> 00:30:23,517 - Yeah. - Like, they do it on purpose. 638 00:30:23,604 --> 00:30:25,171 And so their goal is to come in-- 639 00:30:25,258 --> 00:30:27,042 - You're welcome. [chuckles] 640 00:30:27,129 --> 00:30:30,393 ♪ ♪ 641 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,395 - I want more debunkers out there. 642 00:30:32,482 --> 00:30:34,223 I'm hoping there's, like, ten other people who are like, 643 00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:35,877 oh, I'm good at that, too. 644 00:30:35,964 --> 00:30:37,313 That'd be cool. 645 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,750 Okay, do it, help me, 'cause I need help. 646 00:30:39,838 --> 00:30:43,319 [laughing] Like, I want more people to debunk. 647 00:30:43,406 --> 00:30:44,625 In the true-crime community, 648 00:30:44,712 --> 00:30:47,454 there's bound to be criminals, right? 649 00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,195 So, for weeks now, I've been doing 650 00:30:49,282 --> 00:30:51,588 a deep dive into JLR, 651 00:30:51,675 --> 00:30:53,852 which is Jonathan Lee Riches on YouTube. 652 00:30:53,939 --> 00:30:55,592 I'm sure if you guys follow true crime, 653 00:30:55,679 --> 00:30:57,159 you probably have heard the name before. 654 00:30:57,246 --> 00:30:58,987 - Where did the knife come from? 655 00:30:59,074 --> 00:31:01,598 - JLR has been the "boots on the ground" guy. 656 00:31:01,685 --> 00:31:03,644 - I've been covering this case extensively. 657 00:31:03,731 --> 00:31:06,734 I got sources all around the case that are talking. 658 00:31:06,821 --> 00:31:09,955 - But he's also been sharing anonymous-source information... 659 00:31:10,042 --> 00:31:12,174 - My sources told me that this was going to happen. 660 00:31:12,261 --> 00:31:14,785 - And things he alleges are true. 661 00:31:14,873 --> 00:31:18,702 But with his questionable past, I don't know if they are. 662 00:31:20,008 --> 00:31:24,447 - This is Jonathan Lee Riches, a prolific serial fraudster. 663 00:31:24,534 --> 00:31:26,362 - As you might or might not know, 664 00:31:26,449 --> 00:31:27,755 you know, I've been 665 00:31:27,842 --> 00:31:29,931 through the criminal justice system myself. 666 00:31:30,018 --> 00:31:32,412 - He went to prison for ten years for wire fraud. 667 00:31:32,499 --> 00:31:35,067 I believe they did a phishing scam, 668 00:31:35,154 --> 00:31:37,808 which was kind of unheard of at that time. 669 00:31:37,896 --> 00:31:39,985 - During the time in federal prison, 670 00:31:40,072 --> 00:31:41,682 I would go to the law library. 671 00:31:41,769 --> 00:31:43,292 I was trying to appeal my case, because I thought 672 00:31:43,379 --> 00:31:44,641 my sentence was unjust. 673 00:31:44,728 --> 00:31:46,600 Going in the law library, I would 674 00:31:46,687 --> 00:31:48,732 read about criminal cases, and I became fascinated. 675 00:31:48,819 --> 00:31:51,953 - He allegedly holds the world record for the highest number 676 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,086 of frivolous lawsuits filed. 677 00:32:05,662 --> 00:32:07,708 - And that just got me hooked on to it 678 00:32:07,795 --> 00:32:11,277 and understanding about, you know, how the law works. 679 00:32:11,364 --> 00:32:14,367 - Sometime later he went to Sandy Hook, 680 00:32:14,454 --> 00:32:16,935 pretending to be the shooter's uncle. 681 00:32:17,022 --> 00:32:19,241 Gave an interview for the news. 682 00:32:19,328 --> 00:32:21,983 - You know, one of the things I've learned over the years 683 00:32:22,070 --> 00:32:24,159 is the media kind of interviews people 684 00:32:24,246 --> 00:32:26,031 at the scenes of things, 685 00:32:26,118 --> 00:32:28,163 but they don't fact-check who they're interviewing. 686 00:32:38,652 --> 00:32:42,177 And that just proved my own point, like, whoa, 687 00:32:42,264 --> 00:32:43,962 these people don't fact-check. 688 00:32:44,049 --> 00:32:45,615 That just validated it. 689 00:32:45,702 --> 00:32:47,922 - Was it right? Was it wrong? 690 00:32:48,009 --> 00:32:51,578 I think it was a big middle finger to mainstream media. 691 00:32:51,665 --> 00:32:54,015 - Would I do it now? Probably not. 692 00:32:54,102 --> 00:32:56,713 You know, that was a phase in my life. 693 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,802 It was an era in my life. 694 00:32:58,889 --> 00:33:01,240 And it made me grow as a person. 695 00:33:01,327 --> 00:33:05,766 I feel like I haven't done that in four or five years. 696 00:33:05,853 --> 00:33:09,030 Like, I've really got away from that area 697 00:33:09,117 --> 00:33:11,424 and took more of a serious approach of what I'm doing 698 00:33:11,511 --> 00:33:12,816 and stuff like that. 699 00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:14,818 Jonathan Lee Riches Investigates. 700 00:33:14,905 --> 00:33:16,907 But, of course, I do get discredited 701 00:33:16,995 --> 00:33:19,519 and people remind me of my past. 702 00:33:22,348 --> 00:33:23,958 - We all kind of have a past. 703 00:33:24,045 --> 00:33:26,091 My past is not that good. 704 00:33:31,096 --> 00:33:33,924 Granted, I wasn't charged with, you know, white-collar crimes, 705 00:33:34,012 --> 00:33:35,317 and I'm not a felon. 706 00:33:35,404 --> 00:33:37,276 I, you know, own and possess a gun. 707 00:33:37,363 --> 00:33:40,714 I have a concealed-weapons permit, and I can vote, but-- 708 00:33:40,801 --> 00:33:44,631 - I think in this cyber-sleuth community, 709 00:33:44,718 --> 00:33:48,243 a huge majority have criminal records. 710 00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:52,030 - We all know that con men and social media-- 711 00:33:52,117 --> 00:33:53,683 the Tinder Swindler-- you know, that 712 00:33:53,770 --> 00:33:55,250 there's, you know, catfishing 713 00:33:55,337 --> 00:33:56,512 and all of these various things. 714 00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:59,863 Any time that there's crowds and money, 715 00:33:59,950 --> 00:34:01,213 there will be con men. 716 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:05,304 - Hey, guys, so we got another email 717 00:34:05,391 --> 00:34:07,088 from the guy Jeff in jail 718 00:34:07,175 --> 00:34:09,090 that Betty and I had video-chatted with. 719 00:34:09,177 --> 00:34:12,092 He claims to know of an accomplice 720 00:34:12,179 --> 00:34:15,009 that helped Bryan Kohberger the night of the murders. 721 00:34:15,096 --> 00:34:17,967 - "These people that are really responsible, 722 00:34:18,056 --> 00:34:19,840 "they're dangerous, 723 00:34:19,927 --> 00:34:22,799 "and it would be easy for me to be gotten. 724 00:34:22,886 --> 00:34:26,237 "They also know where people I love live and work, 725 00:34:26,324 --> 00:34:28,588 so this scares the shit out of me." 726 00:34:28,675 --> 00:34:30,893 "Write me a support letter for the parole board 727 00:34:30,981 --> 00:34:33,375 or money on my books"? 728 00:34:33,462 --> 00:34:36,074 What does that have to do with doing the right thing? 729 00:34:36,161 --> 00:34:38,946 "I had some thoughts about reaching out to Nancy Grace 730 00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:41,079 "just because I figure she would pay 731 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:44,952 someone to go on her show." 732 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:47,128 - Money. - Mm-hmm. 733 00:34:47,215 --> 00:34:50,088 - What do you think? 734 00:34:50,175 --> 00:34:52,002 - You want my honest opinion? - Yeah. 735 00:34:52,090 --> 00:34:54,179 - I think it's BS. 736 00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:58,792 He appeared to want something from this, 737 00:34:58,879 --> 00:35:01,229 because why did it take him so long to come forward? 738 00:35:03,013 --> 00:35:05,103 I just don't trust people that go to prison, 739 00:35:05,190 --> 00:35:07,888 and I don't trust people that have the kind of... 740 00:35:07,975 --> 00:35:10,934 charges he has and the kind of convictions he has, 741 00:35:11,021 --> 00:35:14,024 because I know that they have one goal and one goal only-- 742 00:35:14,112 --> 00:35:15,809 getting out of jail. 743 00:35:15,896 --> 00:35:18,464 ♪ ♪ 744 00:35:18,551 --> 00:35:19,900 - "Hey, guys. 745 00:35:19,987 --> 00:35:23,295 "I will tell Steve what Jeff told us 746 00:35:23,382 --> 00:35:26,428 "and then submit this info to the FBI. 747 00:35:26,515 --> 00:35:29,127 "I'm still going to try and find 748 00:35:29,214 --> 00:35:31,694 "the 'alleged accomplice' 749 00:35:31,781 --> 00:35:34,697 but I really do sense that Jeff is lying." 750 00:35:39,659 --> 00:35:41,791 - Let's do a really quick recap. 751 00:35:41,878 --> 00:35:46,361 There is a 99.998% match 752 00:35:46,448 --> 00:35:48,972 of DNA from the suspect, Kohberger, 753 00:35:49,059 --> 00:35:50,887 to the knife sheath. 754 00:35:50,974 --> 00:35:52,672 We know that there's phone data that shows 755 00:35:52,759 --> 00:35:54,761 his location and timeline. 756 00:35:54,848 --> 00:35:58,112 And they even have an eyewitness survivor-- 757 00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,722 one of the roommates. 758 00:35:59,809 --> 00:36:00,897 - So what do we still not know in the case? 759 00:36:00,984 --> 00:36:02,812 - The motive. 760 00:36:02,899 --> 00:36:05,685 - And the exact motive at this point is still unclear. 761 00:36:05,772 --> 00:36:08,470 [keys clacking] 762 00:36:08,557 --> 00:36:10,559 - There has to be more than these girls 763 00:36:10,646 --> 00:36:12,474 were just beautiful and he wanted to take them out. 764 00:36:12,561 --> 00:36:14,433 I mean, there's got to be something. 765 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,132 - Is he connected to previous murders? 766 00:36:18,219 --> 00:36:21,744 Is he a possible serial killer? 767 00:36:21,831 --> 00:36:25,226 - Becca said she does not think this is his first time. 768 00:36:25,313 --> 00:36:26,706 Becca, I tell you, in the beginning of this, 769 00:36:26,793 --> 00:36:28,534 I would have said you were probably wrong, 770 00:36:28,621 --> 00:36:30,579 but I'm starting to think that's something 771 00:36:30,666 --> 00:36:32,625 they got to look into-- I agree with you. 772 00:36:32,712 --> 00:36:35,976 - I definitely believe he has a lot of victims. 773 00:36:36,063 --> 00:36:39,109 I just don't believe that this was his first and his only. 774 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:42,200 - But tonight I can report to you exclusively 775 00:36:42,287 --> 00:36:44,071 that authorities in Pennsylvania, 776 00:36:44,158 --> 00:36:45,638 where he was arrested, 777 00:36:45,725 --> 00:36:47,422 are investigating potential involvement 778 00:36:47,509 --> 00:36:50,251 in other outstanding homicides. 779 00:36:51,861 --> 00:36:54,473 - Jonathan Lee Riches Investigates. 780 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,216 I am in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, Monroe County. 781 00:36:58,303 --> 00:37:01,741 This location right here-- 782 00:37:01,828 --> 00:37:04,918 there's a makeshift memorial for Dana Smithers, 783 00:37:05,005 --> 00:37:06,789 a 45-year-old, 784 00:37:06,876 --> 00:37:10,750 who vanished May 28, 2022, 785 00:37:10,837 --> 00:37:12,708 around 11:05 p.m. 786 00:37:12,795 --> 00:37:16,059 She was last seen leaving her friend's home-- 787 00:37:16,146 --> 00:37:18,497 Tara, her neighbor. 788 00:37:18,584 --> 00:37:22,675 Dana was recently found in the woods right here. 789 00:37:22,762 --> 00:37:25,417 Was it Bryan Kohberger 790 00:37:25,504 --> 00:37:28,071 who murdered Dana Smithers? 791 00:37:28,158 --> 00:37:31,423 - And it just so happened that he had moved 792 00:37:31,510 --> 00:37:35,862 around that same time to WSU. 793 00:37:35,949 --> 00:37:39,648 And it's crazy, because one of my TikTok followers-- 794 00:37:39,735 --> 00:37:43,261 she and her sister, I believe, went to school 795 00:37:43,348 --> 00:37:44,740 with Bryan Kohberger, 796 00:37:44,827 --> 00:37:47,743 and they also knew Dana Smithers. 797 00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:50,137 - His parents have been subpoenaed 798 00:37:50,224 --> 00:37:54,184 to testify in front of the grand jury in Monroe County. 799 00:37:54,272 --> 00:37:55,490 - There are reports 800 00:37:55,577 --> 00:37:56,839 Bryan Kohberger's father, Michael, 801 00:37:56,926 --> 00:37:58,493 testified before a grand jury at this courthouse 802 00:37:58,580 --> 00:38:01,061 in Stroudsburg, Pennsylvania, today. 803 00:38:01,148 --> 00:38:04,238 His mother, Maryann, reportedly testified earlier this week. 804 00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:06,762 Kohberger attended DeSales University, 805 00:38:06,849 --> 00:38:09,461 about 50 miles from Smithers' home, 806 00:38:09,548 --> 00:38:12,594 but he is said to have a watertight alibi 807 00:38:12,681 --> 00:38:15,815 absolving him of any role in the mom's death. 808 00:38:15,902 --> 00:38:17,991 Stroudsburg police say they have no evidence 809 00:38:18,078 --> 00:38:20,689 Dana Smithers' disappearance is in any way 810 00:38:20,776 --> 00:38:22,343 tied to Bryan Kohberger. 811 00:38:22,430 --> 00:38:24,911 - No evidence Kohberger tied 812 00:38:24,998 --> 00:38:27,957 to Dana Smithers' missing-person case. 813 00:38:28,044 --> 00:38:32,353 ♪ ♪ 814 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,833 - Subscribe to my channel. 815 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,269 Like, hit the notification button. 816 00:38:35,356 --> 00:38:36,662 JLR, "Boots on the Ground," 817 00:38:36,749 --> 00:38:38,272 getting inside of who this guy is. 818 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:40,405 Who is Bryan Kohberger? 819 00:38:40,492 --> 00:38:43,451 - Is this guy an incel? - Yeah, probably. 820 00:38:43,538 --> 00:38:44,844 - Take a look at this guy. 821 00:38:44,931 --> 00:38:47,368 Would it surprise you to see him, 822 00:38:47,455 --> 00:38:49,718 that face staring in your bathroom window? 823 00:38:49,805 --> 00:38:51,894 Because it would not surprise me. 824 00:38:51,981 --> 00:38:54,767 - [laughing, screams] 825 00:38:54,854 --> 00:38:58,118 - There's some speculation that Bryan Kohberger 826 00:38:58,205 --> 00:39:00,599 might fit the profile of an incel. 827 00:39:00,686 --> 00:39:03,732 And incels are involuntary celibates-- 828 00:39:03,819 --> 00:39:05,952 they call themselves that-- and they congregate 829 00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,084 on sites like 4Chan, 830 00:39:08,171 --> 00:39:11,958 where there's just a ton of misogyny and racism. 831 00:39:12,045 --> 00:39:14,177 And they really firmly believe 832 00:39:14,264 --> 00:39:18,181 that the government should appoint them sexual partners. 833 00:39:18,268 --> 00:39:22,229 And if he was an incel, what would have happened, I think, 834 00:39:22,316 --> 00:39:24,144 is that he would have seen 835 00:39:24,231 --> 00:39:26,233 these young women living these lives, 836 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,062 he would have seen Ethan and Xana loving each other, 837 00:39:29,149 --> 00:39:31,543 and it would have made him so angry 838 00:39:31,630 --> 00:39:34,850 because he felt like they were ignoring him 839 00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:38,201 or that they represented a pattern in his life 840 00:39:38,288 --> 00:39:39,942 of women ignoring him. 841 00:39:40,029 --> 00:39:44,294 ♪ ♪ 842 00:39:44,382 --> 00:39:48,603 - Maybe he idolizes Elliot Rodger. 843 00:39:48,690 --> 00:39:51,301 You know who I'm talking about? - Mm-hmm. 844 00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,696 - The misogynistic asshole 845 00:39:54,783 --> 00:39:57,656 that murdered women. 846 00:39:57,743 --> 00:40:01,268 Think about it-- Elliot Rodger, Pappa Rodger. 847 00:40:01,355 --> 00:40:04,227 - Many people believe Pappa Rodger 848 00:40:04,314 --> 00:40:06,621 is Bryan Kohberger. 849 00:40:06,708 --> 00:40:08,580 - I don't know. Maybe. 850 00:40:10,059 --> 00:40:11,887 You think so? 851 00:40:11,974 --> 00:40:16,326 - There have been, you know, rumors that he followed 852 00:40:16,414 --> 00:40:18,372 the victims on social media 853 00:40:18,459 --> 00:40:21,419 and potentially even messaged one of them. 854 00:40:21,506 --> 00:40:25,466 - Bryan Kohberger follows Kaylee Goncalves on Instagram. 855 00:40:25,553 --> 00:40:27,468 He also follows Maddie Mogen. 856 00:40:27,555 --> 00:40:28,817 He does not appear to follow Xana, 857 00:40:28,904 --> 00:40:30,602 and Ethan's profile is private. 858 00:40:30,689 --> 00:40:32,734 - As this information comes out, 859 00:40:32,821 --> 00:40:34,475 I have to tell you, more and more, it is looking like, 860 00:40:34,562 --> 00:40:37,347 if it's true, he did-- 861 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:39,001 or was stalking the girls. 862 00:40:39,088 --> 00:40:42,091 ♪ ♪ 863 00:40:42,178 --> 00:40:44,093 - Bryan Kohberger's behavior at the school 864 00:40:44,180 --> 00:40:47,357 had been flagged by Washington State University. 865 00:40:47,445 --> 00:40:50,970 Several students complained about Kohberger's rank sexism 866 00:40:51,057 --> 00:40:52,580 to the school, 867 00:40:52,667 --> 00:40:57,019 caused WSU to conduct a harassment-training seminar, 868 00:40:57,106 --> 00:40:59,718 according to somebody who had to be part of it. 869 00:40:59,805 --> 00:41:02,155 Kohberger was later fired from that job. 870 00:41:02,242 --> 00:41:03,896 - Okay, so we just learned that Bryan Kohberger 871 00:41:03,983 --> 00:41:06,246 was fired from his teaching-assistant job. 872 00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:07,813 - Scott Bond, 873 00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:09,728 who is a serial-killer expert and author, 874 00:41:09,815 --> 00:41:11,643 said that he thinks that Bryan basically 875 00:41:11,730 --> 00:41:12,731 reached his tipping point 876 00:41:12,818 --> 00:41:15,037 and had to act out these fantasies, 877 00:41:15,124 --> 00:41:18,214 which, again, going back to having disciplinary action 878 00:41:18,301 --> 00:41:21,566 as the TA, could indicate that he was not quite himself 879 00:41:21,653 --> 00:41:23,524 because he was possibly too obsessed-- 880 00:41:23,611 --> 00:41:25,352 this part is just speculation-- 881 00:41:25,439 --> 00:41:28,703 too obsessed with the idea of doing these killings. 882 00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:31,053 ♪ ♪ 883 00:41:31,140 --> 00:41:33,447 - "Bryan Kohberger harassed women 884 00:41:33,534 --> 00:41:35,754 at Pennsylvania brewery." 885 00:41:35,841 --> 00:41:38,887 The brewery is the Seven Sirens Brewing Company. 886 00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:41,368 That's the owner who did this interview. 887 00:41:41,455 --> 00:41:43,283 He said that Kohberger would ask women, 888 00:41:43,370 --> 00:41:45,503 staff, or customers, 889 00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:48,810 who they were with at the brewery, where they lived. 890 00:41:48,897 --> 00:41:50,899 If the women weren't interested, 891 00:41:50,986 --> 00:41:53,685 he would get upset with them a little bit. 892 00:41:53,772 --> 00:41:55,469 In one incident, the owner recalled, 893 00:41:55,556 --> 00:41:58,037 he called an employee a-- 894 00:41:58,124 --> 00:41:59,212 You can read that. 895 00:41:59,299 --> 00:42:01,431 - The B word at this bar. 896 00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,436 And the owner had to come in and put Bryan in his place 897 00:42:06,524 --> 00:42:08,351 and just deal with him. 898 00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:16,838 - So today is the big day that Bryan Kohberger 899 00:42:16,925 --> 00:42:20,320 is required to make his statement on his alibi. 900 00:42:20,407 --> 00:42:22,670 [keys clacking] 901 00:42:22,757 --> 00:42:25,064 - Kohberger has an alibi! 902 00:42:25,151 --> 00:42:26,413 - He does? 903 00:42:26,500 --> 00:42:27,283 - No, he doesn't. 904 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:29,459 - Yeah, he does. 905 00:42:29,547 --> 00:42:31,374 He says he'll give it to them whenever he feels like it. 906 00:42:31,461 --> 00:42:35,335 - The deadline for court paperwork has come and went. 907 00:42:35,422 --> 00:42:38,381 It had to be submitted, Idaho time, 5:00 p.m. 908 00:42:38,468 --> 00:42:41,341 It's almost 10:00 p.m.--about to turn in for the night. 909 00:42:41,428 --> 00:42:42,995 - Where is this alibi? 910 00:42:43,082 --> 00:42:46,041 Ms. Taylor, where is the alibi? 911 00:42:46,128 --> 00:42:49,088 - I am sure that Berger's defense team 912 00:42:49,175 --> 00:42:51,699 is going to try to debunk the pings, 913 00:42:51,786 --> 00:42:53,440 the phone pings in some way. 914 00:42:53,527 --> 00:42:56,835 - Like, how can you fight his, like, phone pings? 915 00:42:56,922 --> 00:42:59,098 Like, where is he going to say he was? 916 00:42:59,185 --> 00:43:01,230 - What are they going to say, he was out shopping? 917 00:43:01,317 --> 00:43:03,450 - Well, then I'm sure he has credit-card transactions 918 00:43:03,537 --> 00:43:04,973 or receipts to prove it, and he has nothing to worry about. 919 00:43:05,060 --> 00:43:06,845 I need the receipts. 920 00:43:06,932 --> 00:43:08,455 - And a good defense attorney can take that little bitty 921 00:43:08,542 --> 00:43:11,414 shred of something and turn it into a whole new story 922 00:43:11,501 --> 00:43:13,895 in favor of their client. 923 00:43:13,982 --> 00:43:16,332 - The bizarre new alibi 924 00:43:16,419 --> 00:43:18,073 for the man accused of brutally stabbing 925 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,032 four University of Idaho students, 926 00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,557 saying he was out driving alone late at night. 927 00:43:23,644 --> 00:43:26,691 Kohberger's lawyer says he can't point to any witness 928 00:43:26,778 --> 00:43:29,563 to corroborate where he was. 929 00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:33,001 - Is that a strong alibi? - No, it is not. 930 00:43:33,088 --> 00:43:34,655 - This is one of the biggest 931 00:43:34,742 --> 00:43:36,744 "what the fuck" moments of this case. 932 00:43:36,831 --> 00:43:39,312 - It's funny but not funny, 933 00:43:39,399 --> 00:43:43,795 - His "alibi" is that he likes to drive alone at night. 934 00:43:46,188 --> 00:43:48,277 And that's, like, his habit. 935 00:43:48,364 --> 00:43:50,192 So no alibi. 936 00:43:50,279 --> 00:43:52,064 - They have no defense, 937 00:43:52,151 --> 00:43:54,675 so they're just coming up with stuff. 938 00:43:54,762 --> 00:43:56,938 - An alibi defense is not, I simply 939 00:43:57,025 --> 00:43:58,505 wasn't there at the time. 940 00:43:58,592 --> 00:44:00,681 It's you must provide specifically 941 00:44:00,768 --> 00:44:03,466 where you were--time, place. 942 00:44:03,553 --> 00:44:06,252 Also, if you have any witnesses. 943 00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:09,124 - My client likes to drive around at night alone 944 00:44:09,211 --> 00:44:11,039 without his phone on. 945 00:44:11,126 --> 00:44:12,954 [chuckles derisively] 946 00:44:13,041 --> 00:44:15,261 The Kohberger defenders are kind of just fading away. 947 00:44:15,348 --> 00:44:17,002 [laughs] 948 00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:19,091 - You got to remember that the guy is 949 00:44:19,178 --> 00:44:20,527 innocent until proven guilty. 950 00:44:20,614 --> 00:44:23,661 Social media, he's guilty 951 00:44:23,748 --> 00:44:26,272 and already tried and convicted. 952 00:44:26,359 --> 00:44:28,666 Some sites think he's not guilty 953 00:44:28,753 --> 00:44:29,928 and he should be released. 954 00:44:30,015 --> 00:44:33,105 So it all comes down to the evidence. 955 00:44:33,192 --> 00:44:36,195 - The prosecutor has disclosed all 956 00:44:36,282 --> 00:44:39,415 of the evidence and information that they have, 957 00:44:39,502 --> 00:44:40,503 and it is a lot. 958 00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:42,723 They turned over 959 00:44:42,810 --> 00:44:46,988 51 terabytes of data-- 960 00:44:47,075 --> 00:44:50,905 emails, social-media accounts, voice mails, 961 00:44:50,992 --> 00:44:52,907 phone recordings, all the things. 962 00:44:52,994 --> 00:44:57,695 I mean, that is a lot of information. 963 00:44:57,782 --> 00:45:01,089 - The YouTubers and the social-media groups 964 00:45:01,176 --> 00:45:02,743 created a lot of what is probably 965 00:45:02,830 --> 00:45:04,963 in those 51 terabytes. 966 00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:08,662 I truly believe the defense will likely take 967 00:45:08,749 --> 00:45:12,710 one of these very popular conspiracy-type theories 968 00:45:12,797 --> 00:45:14,755 and try to develop it through the trial 969 00:45:14,842 --> 00:45:17,062 to cause reasonable doubt. 970 00:45:17,149 --> 00:45:19,542 - I think what's going on and what happened 971 00:45:19,629 --> 00:45:21,501 and what has been happening in that town 972 00:45:21,588 --> 00:45:24,286 is a huge... 973 00:45:24,373 --> 00:45:26,506 organized, 974 00:45:26,593 --> 00:45:30,553 multiple-part criminal activity. 975 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:35,210 - I mean, people on the Internet will say anything, 976 00:45:35,297 --> 00:45:38,692 will offend, will speculate, 977 00:45:38,779 --> 00:45:40,563 will come up with theories. 978 00:45:40,650 --> 00:45:42,261 - You know what the problem is? 979 00:45:42,348 --> 00:45:44,567 In our country, everything's a conspiracy, okay? 980 00:45:44,654 --> 00:45:46,526 They get to talk about, it's a conspiracy, it's a conspiracy. 981 00:45:46,613 --> 00:45:49,834 - But until this trial begins 982 00:45:49,921 --> 00:45:53,359 and we're able to see the evidence, hear the evidence, 983 00:45:53,446 --> 00:45:57,232 it's impossible to come up with theories 984 00:45:57,319 --> 00:45:59,452 that make any sense at all. 985 00:45:59,539 --> 00:46:02,411 - Do you think we're going to go to trial in October? 986 00:46:02,498 --> 00:46:04,239 - No. No. 987 00:46:04,326 --> 00:46:06,894 No, no, no, no, we're not going to trial in October. 988 00:46:06,981 --> 00:46:08,591 You're going to start seeing delay tactics. 989 00:46:08,678 --> 00:46:12,204 They're going to be trying to really delay, delay, delay. 990 00:46:12,291 --> 00:46:15,337 [dramatic music] 991 00:46:20,255 --> 00:46:22,431 - He waived his right to a speedy trial. 992 00:46:22,518 --> 00:46:24,607 So now there is a delay, folks. 993 00:46:24,694 --> 00:46:27,610 - The trial of quadruple-murder suspect Bryan Kohberger 994 00:46:27,697 --> 00:46:29,525 has been indefinitely delayed. 995 00:46:29,612 --> 00:46:32,702 His attorneys requested the delay, saying they need 996 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:33,834 more time to prepare their defense. 997 00:46:33,921 --> 00:46:34,879 - Boom! 998 00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:42,756 [dramatic music] 999 00:46:42,843 --> 00:46:45,585 - As of August 23, 2023, 1000 00:46:45,672 --> 00:46:47,326 Bryan Kohberger has decided to waive 1001 00:46:47,413 --> 00:46:48,675 his right to a speedy trial. 1002 00:46:48,762 --> 00:46:50,068 His trial will not be happening 1003 00:46:50,155 --> 00:46:51,721 in October of this year. 1004 00:46:51,809 --> 00:46:53,811 - I myself am ready to see justice be served, 1005 00:46:53,898 --> 00:46:55,595 and I'm sure that all of the families are 1006 00:46:55,682 --> 00:46:57,945 and everyone close to them, 1007 00:46:58,032 --> 00:47:01,035 so I can imagine this is very disappointing news. 1008 00:47:01,122 --> 00:47:04,038 - I can't even imagine the pain that the families 1009 00:47:04,125 --> 00:47:06,606 are feeling right now and the fact that they're going 1010 00:47:06,693 --> 00:47:08,738 to have to wait that much longer 1011 00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:11,872 to get their day in court and to maybe even fully hear 1012 00:47:11,959 --> 00:47:13,743 what happened to their loved ones. 1013 00:47:13,831 --> 00:47:15,702 - It's going to be very hard for all of us 1014 00:47:15,789 --> 00:47:17,182 to go through that. 1015 00:47:17,269 --> 00:47:20,794 The families don't want to be in a process that's 1016 00:47:20,881 --> 00:47:22,796 going to take that long before we see the evidence, you know. 1017 00:47:22,883 --> 00:47:24,406 We want to see the evidence. 1018 00:47:24,493 --> 00:47:25,973 We want to know how strong the case is. 1019 00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:29,324 When do we stop with hiding all these things? 1020 00:47:29,411 --> 00:47:31,196 I mean, let's get the process going. 1021 00:47:31,283 --> 00:47:33,633 I mean, there's nothing more painful to the family 1022 00:47:33,720 --> 00:47:37,028 than just to sit around doing nothing. 1023 00:47:37,115 --> 00:47:39,857 - These were kids with all of their hopes 1024 00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:41,771 and dreams and aspirations. 1025 00:47:41,859 --> 00:47:44,513 And they had family members who adored them. 1026 00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:46,776 At the end of the day, it's so important to remind 1027 00:47:46,864 --> 00:47:49,779 people who these victims were. 1028 00:47:49,867 --> 00:47:51,999 - [sighs] 1029 00:47:52,086 --> 00:47:55,394 Maddie, Kaylee, Ethan, and Xana, 1030 00:47:55,481 --> 00:47:59,441 they were going to go on to do really special things. 1031 00:47:59,528 --> 00:48:02,270 They had bright futures ahead of them. 1032 00:48:02,357 --> 00:48:06,013 - This is a very tragic case that 1033 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:09,887 has impacted far beyond the community of Idaho and Moscow. 1034 00:48:12,585 --> 00:48:15,544 We're all here trying to find answers to something 1035 00:48:15,631 --> 00:48:17,677 that makes no sense. 1036 00:48:17,764 --> 00:48:21,333 That said, I think cases like this one 1037 00:48:21,420 --> 00:48:24,162 show us just how careful we have to be 1038 00:48:24,249 --> 00:48:26,120 in finding truth. 1039 00:48:26,207 --> 00:48:29,732 ♪ ♪ 1040 00:48:29,819 --> 00:48:32,953 - With an active investigation, there are pros 1041 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,695 and cons with social media. 1042 00:48:35,782 --> 00:48:39,525 The pros is getting spotlight to the story. 1043 00:48:39,612 --> 00:48:43,703 And when you have millions of people talking about it, 1044 00:48:43,790 --> 00:48:45,835 then more people are going to know about it. 1045 00:48:45,923 --> 00:48:48,273 - And let's keep this story alive. 1046 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:49,752 We can do it. We can... 1047 00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:51,885 - You know, being interested in true crime 1048 00:48:51,972 --> 00:48:53,408 is neither good nor bad. 1049 00:48:53,495 --> 00:48:55,889 It's a human instinct 1050 00:48:55,976 --> 00:49:00,154 that has been around for, you know, centuries. 1051 00:49:00,241 --> 00:49:03,984 But if sleuths really do want to help, 1052 00:49:04,071 --> 00:49:07,205 they should focus their attention 1053 00:49:07,292 --> 00:49:10,512 on quietly accruing evidence 1054 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:12,993 and sharing that evidence with police, 1055 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,562 rather than perpetuating rumors. 1056 00:49:16,649 --> 00:49:19,173 Many sleuths can cause a lot of chaos. 1057 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:21,697 - People get on a roll and get fired up 1058 00:49:21,784 --> 00:49:23,308 and start doing this, oh, yeah. 1059 00:49:23,395 --> 00:49:25,049 And then it becomes this, like, angry mob 1060 00:49:25,136 --> 00:49:26,485 of people with pitchforks. 1061 00:49:26,572 --> 00:49:29,270 - Cyber sleuthing is here to stay. 1062 00:49:29,357 --> 00:49:34,232 And I think police really need to try to embrace it. 1063 00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:35,973 - They can fight it all they want, 1064 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:39,411 but they're going to have to realize social media 1065 00:49:39,498 --> 00:49:40,629 is not going anywhere. 1066 00:49:40,716 --> 00:49:42,544 I'm not going anywhere. 1067 00:49:42,631 --> 00:49:46,287 And you probably want to play in the sandbox nice with me. 1068 00:49:46,374 --> 00:49:48,594 - I look forward to covering this trial 1069 00:49:48,681 --> 00:49:52,250 to understand really what the police have 1070 00:49:52,337 --> 00:49:54,078 on Bryan Kohberger, 1071 00:49:54,165 --> 00:49:57,603 whether there was or not an accomplice, 1072 00:49:57,690 --> 00:50:01,476 whether anybody else knew something. 1073 00:50:01,563 --> 00:50:03,565 - But for right now, there's no narrative 1074 00:50:03,652 --> 00:50:05,045 that tells you how this happened. 1075 00:50:05,132 --> 00:50:06,655 There's no motive. 1076 00:50:06,742 --> 00:50:09,571 - All I can think is, where there is darkness, 1077 00:50:09,658 --> 00:50:12,052 there is space for speculation. 1078 00:50:12,139 --> 00:50:19,277 ♪ ♪ 1079 00:50:36,511 --> 00:50:39,732 - Holy fucking shit, guys, you will never believe who's back. 1080 00:50:39,819 --> 00:50:42,474 - The original, the OG Pappa Rodger account 1081 00:50:42,561 --> 00:50:45,042 has been reactivated on Facebook. 1082 00:50:45,129 --> 00:50:47,435 - So a lot of people are now under the impression 1083 00:50:47,522 --> 00:50:48,828 that Pappa Rodger 1084 00:50:48,915 --> 00:50:50,612 is definitely not Bryan Kohberger, 1085 00:50:50,699 --> 00:50:53,137 because he's posted something on Facebook 1086 00:50:53,224 --> 00:50:54,703 since Bryan's arrest. 1087 00:50:54,790 --> 00:50:56,053 - I'm dying right now. 1088 00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:58,446 Who the F is Pappa Rodgers? 1089 00:50:58,533 --> 00:51:00,622 Someone that is Pappa Rodgers 1090 00:51:00,709 --> 00:51:03,712 would have to be close enough to the investigation 1091 00:51:03,799 --> 00:51:06,193 because of all the info that they have, right? 1092 00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:07,760 - And a lot of people in the comments 1093 00:51:07,847 --> 00:51:10,067 are saying that it could be JLR. 1094 00:51:10,154 --> 00:51:14,288 His nose has been in this case right from the get-go-- 1095 00:51:14,375 --> 00:51:15,681 - So Pappa Rodger was never Bryan Kohberger. 1096 00:51:15,768 --> 00:51:17,074 - Or it is law enforcement 1097 00:51:17,161 --> 00:51:18,249 because of all the info that they have. 1098 00:51:18,336 --> 00:51:19,989 - It would make sense. 1099 00:51:20,077 --> 00:51:21,861 - It could have been reopened and reactivated-- 1100 00:51:21,948 --> 00:51:23,819 - This has got me all fucked up. 1101 00:51:23,906 --> 00:51:25,908 - And if you're watching this video, 1102 00:51:25,995 --> 00:51:28,346 this is the start of something 1103 00:51:28,433 --> 00:51:30,826 mother-effing major.